600 hp n/t....

[momo-eclipse]

ok now that i have ur attention give me an opinion if this would be a good idea.. ok i was first going to buy a stage 1 turbo kit from hahn ok then i was going to buy some je pistons,crower rods, rrc injectors, apexi bov, i have a greddy fmic with pipeing, an apexi 3ing downpipe, power extreme exhaust, upgrade the 16g or just replace the 16g in the kit for the s20g and walbro 255hp fuel pump weapon r reagulater,porsche 911 wastegate have one, and maybe hks 277 cams what do you think im pretty sure that that is all of it

[DarkOne]

I think you should just get a Stage IV kit with a ball bearing S20g and HRC FMIC. Probably save you money and headaches in the long run.

If you really want to ask these questions, this is probably not the most responsive place. You're likely to have some fuckhead GSX owner tell you it would be better to sell your car and use it as a downpayment to buy some crankwalking 4g63 powered 2G turbo. You -WILL- get better, more unbiased opinions on your plans (or dreams) for -YOUR- car if you check out http://www.2gnt.com/forums.html that you will likely get here.

No offense to anyone. DSMTalk is great. Anyone else notice that all five finalists for dsm of the month are turbo? Anyone else bitter?

[DSMscreamer]

So why do GSX owners have to be F_ckheads? Its not our fault that you keep getting your doors blown off by every turbo GSX you encounter. See I could say "You should have bought a turbo in the first place". but I'm not because I have respect for peoples purchasing decisions. Most turbo guys will tell you something like that because they see all of the money your about to throw into an NT and they think you would save money by selling it and getting a turbo model. I would'nt recommend a 2g or 1g FWD turbo to anybody simply because of the lack of traction they have especially when modified, and if it rains...forget it. I would say do what makes you happy but inform you that it would be cheaper and in my opinion better to get a turbo AWD model. I dont know anything about crankwalk because I have a 1G 91 AWD that I bought used for $2,500 with 150,000 miles on it. I dumped about another $2,000 in it and now I run 12s. But thats me. Do what makes you happy....but be informed.

[I Killed Tupac]

What's up with slamming GSX/T owners? This sight was designed for turbo talons, laser, eclipses and galant VR4's. It is a racing-oriented sight. All five of the DSM of the month finalists have turbos, yes. And they run really good times. Dont be bitter. Build a NT that can run 13 seconds, and believe me you'll have a helluva shot at DSM of the month! This is a good place to ask the question-don't burn your bridges "Darkone"-you may need our help one day if you decide to boost your NT.
Momo-every one on this sight will be happy to help you with any questions. Sounds like you have a good set up lined up, but i wouldnt do it all at once. If you add 8 new parts all at once, and your car doesnt run, you'll have to figure out which of the 8 parts is messing up. I would do it one part at a time. Install, tune, install, tune, etc. Also, running that much power through a DSM transmission could pose a problem, but fuck it-go for it! I would love to see the end result. You could, as suggested, buy a turbo DSM. But dont buy a second gen unless your made of money, patience, and have a second car to drive while its in the shop. Or like me and have a girlfrined that will haul my ass around when its in the shop.

[momo-eclipse]

yeah darkone i was thinkin of a stage 5 at first but i wanted more brand of parts than hahn offered the only ones i like from them are the je pistons, crower rods, mitsu turbo, and the msd ignition i wanted to use mostly apexi or hks like a apexi fmic or hks and bov wastegate and hks cams apexi exhaust in ur opinion everybody tell me if u think itll be worth all the money beacsue hahn has a rs thatll run 11s at like 122mph equipped with alot of goodies from them lsd also and its a daily driver so would you try it on this or get a awd 2g becasue im a 2g guy 1 gs i like but i like the newer style of the 2g so tell me what u think please

[dsm93talon]

So why do GSX owners have to be F_ckheads? Its not our fault that you keep getting your doors blown off by every turbo GSX you encounter.

You're likely to have some fuckhead GSX owner...etc...etc...

That just isn't cool :( let's try not to get on each other like that, ok?

Next time I will lock the thread, let's be nice here :)

p.s. the dsm of the month contest isn't just about turbo vs. nt, or speed vs. show, you do not need a 13sec NT to win nor do you have to own a turbo to win. simple as that. it's equal.

[momo-eclipse]

hey dark one what all is done to ur car what tijmes u run and top speed

[momo-eclipse]

i was wondering if this would fit my car a 9 1/2 inch tall and 30.5 inch wide intercooler???its made by hks

[DarkOne]

Simply stating what i see. The reception most performance-oriented NT owners get is not good. I'm not saying all of them are like this, but a great many certainly are. I really find it discouraging that simply bacause someone wants to make thier 420A or NT-4g63 fast, that they are generally laughed at and told that it isn't worth it. Perhaps i do have a chip on my shoulder. I'll try to be better about it in the future.

Tupac: My NT IS boosted. Thanks.

Dsm93talon: Sorry.

Momo: I have a Star Stage 2, Joe P. MBC on the way, and all the supporting hardware i need to do 12's save for forged pistons and rods. Right now, i'd guess that i run a 14.5-14.9, with about 170-180Hp to the wheels. These seem to be the average numbers for turbocharged GS's, RS's, and ESi's. I have yet to run my car at the track.

As far as that intercooler goes, that's HUGE. Depending on the front clip on your car (stock or aftermarket, 95-96 or 97-99) it may or may not fit, but will likely require a bit of fabrication either way. Maybe one of the turbo owners here can give you a better answer.

[Edited by DarkOne on 04-25-2001 at 04:13 PM]

[superchicken]

I have to admit, I can see where DarkOne is coming from on this, although I think he could have chosen his words a little more carefully. :D I'm fairly new to this board, and one of the first things I noticed here was a general lack of respect for the NA owners.

My first day reading through all the threads, I was amazed at the number of people asking about performance mods on their NT, only to see GST/GSX owners say things like "Don't bother wasting your money" etc...I even saw one guy with a signature that said "NT Eclipses are pussy cars" or something like that. I've seen condescending remarks like "why waste money on a Neon-in-disguise?", etc. It gets old seeing the same crap over and over, trust me.

The bottom line is nobody has any right to tell me or anybody else that we're wasting money on modifying our RS/GS. If I enjoy what I'm doing with my car, then that's my prerogative and nobody can take anything away from that. But it is annoying seeing people bash NT cars here all day long, I think that's what DarkOne was referring to, he just used the wrong choice of words.

My $.02

[verserv]

no kidding, this nt trash talking is ridiculous. im trying to design a cheap turbo kit for the nt that would cost about as much as good headers and exhaust and intake for the 1g guys. Most turbo guys wont even answer simple questions without saying "nt suck" or "sell it and by a turbo". its really stupid. Some of us NT guys just dont want to part with our cars. NT is still a rock solid car, its just not that fast. Nothin wrong with enjoy what you have. Plus us 1g nt owners know we cant find a gst or gsx that hasnt been beat all to hell. Turbo cars are driven hard. Plus alot of turbo equipment has been made by nt guys so lets not give each other a bunch of crap. NT is a great car Turbo is a great car but faster.

[Doug96GS]

I hate flamers ....uhhhh I mean people who uhhhhhh flame eachother. There's no point to it. Who cares if my car is faster than yours and whatnot. Having enough pride in your car to sink tons of money into it is something to be proud of. That's why Honda-haters get on my nerves. If you can turn a 90hp CRX into a 9 second bullet on wheels, then that's something to be damn proud of. The same goes for non-turbo eclipse-talon-laser cars. I mean it's nice if you have enough money to do something like Hahn Racecraft did with that non-turbo 2g. Even if you can only afford a K+N and a lisence plate frame who's to tell you that your car sucks.

my $.02

[superchicken]

Also, just a reminder that back in 1994 or so, if a turbo talon owner asked a V8 Camaro or Mustang owner about performance mods, the V8 guy probably would have told the turbo dsm guys the same thing the turbo dsm guys are telling us now.

"Your turbo talon/eclipse/laser will never be fast, sell it and buy a V8 if you want a fast car, don't waste your money, blahblahblah."

Any turbo owners been on that side of the fence? Sucks don't it? :D

[Edited by superchicken on 04-25-2001 at 06:10 PM]

[DSMscreamer]

I was insulted by being refered to as a F_ckhead and so my reply may have been a bit aggressive. I have nothing against NTs....I almost bought one from my neighbor but the deal on the AWD was too good to pass up. My friend has an NT and when he gets a computer I will refer him to this forum. When I did my big 16g I gave him my 14b and exhaust manifold to help with his build up. So I didnt mean to bash anyone and any knowledge I have I offer unbiased. I was bashed alot like you guy talked about by the V8 crowd when I had a Civic Dx I wanted to make fast back in 1990 when all you could get for them was a few things from jackson racing and Kingmotorsports. I was probably one of the first guys with a turbo civic on the east coast in 1991.... now look at the seen, its crazy. Anyways, maybe the NTs should start an all motor movement like whats happening with the civics.

[DarkOne]

Perhaps a more tactful approach would have been better, but such is my personality. I apologize if i offended anyone.

Now, anyone have any suggestions on this guys ideas? Would that intercooler be flat out too big, like i'm thinking?

Momo, sorry to turn your thread into a bitching war.

[DSMscreamer]

I think that intercooler may be a bit large. It could possibly fit on a 97 up 2G because they have that big intake in the front. It seems like its close to the demensions of the FMIC offer by Texas turbos and that suckers huge but it fits 1Gs and 2Gs. What car was it designed for?

[momo-eclipse]

i have a 96 but im gonna use a 97-99 front bumper ans apc projector headlights and i wanna paint it from silver to black

[DSMscreamer]

Momo, what car was the intercooler designed for? If HKS made it they made it for a specific application. And is it in your possession or are you just thinking of purchasing it?

[momo-eclipse]

im thinkin of purchasing it i mean its only 300.00 dollars and its brand new and ill try to find out what its made for thANKS

[verserv]

one last thing, turbo guys, dont go your fellow dsm'rs "rice boys". I was called a rice boy in #dsm on irc because i was thinking of getting a jap spec turbo engine. ridiculous huh. it was all because i asked where to get one. now back to whats important, our cars. If its a good deal, there is always a way to make it fit.

[DSMscreamer]

Wow $300.00 for a FMIC? That must be without the piping. Most FMIC cost over a G. Let me know how it turns out if it fits I may get one too. Oh and Verserv, I dont understand why DSM people refer to anybody as a "Rice Boy" with a japanese car because a DSM is mostly Japanese....Crysler just helped with the body design the rest was Mitsubishi. I dont get it.

[Edited by DSMscreamer on 04-26-2001 at 02:40 AM]

[Dsmman]

Originally posted by superchicken
I have to admit, I can see where DarkOne is coming from on this, although I think he could have chosen his words a little more carefully. :D I'm fairly new to this board, and one of the first things I noticed here was a general lack of respect for the NA owners.

My first day reading through all the threads, I was amazed at the number of people asking about performance mods on their NT, only to see GST/GSX owners say things like "Don't bother wasting your money" etc...I even saw one guy with a signature that said "NT Eclipses are pussy cars" or something like that. I've seen condescending remarks like "why waste money on a Neon-in-disguise?", etc. It gets old seeing the same crap over and over, trust me.

The bottom line is nobody has any right to tell me or anybody else that we're wasting money on modifying our RS/GS. If I enjoy what I'm doing with my car, then that's my prerogative and nobody can take anything away from that. But it is annoying seeing people bash NT cars here all day long, I think that's what DarkOne was referring to, he just used the wrong choice of words.

My $.02

I couldn't of said it better myself. It pisses me off it's always rice rice this and Nt that. If I aint runnin 12sec. it's like i'm some kinda pussy???WTF? When I bought my car (4 yrs ago) my Nt was all that I could afford. I love my car, and I would never sell it just cause some guys around say it's not worth it.

[momo-eclipse]

true dat guy with the red and white eclipse forgot ur name sorry what if it was all we could afford and if we can make a n/t run 11s or 12s imagine what we could do to a turbo???well yeah the fmic is only gonna be like 300 and it is supposed to be made by hks and i dont hink it has the poiping but the intercooler alone is worth it right??? if it dont fit i can always sell it

[gondzur]

We NT owners not only probably spent considerably less money to buy our cars, but we also save on not having to run premium gas in it and spending twice as much on the insurance which means we'll have lots of money left over to spend on making it look much nicer. Dont get me wrong, I would love to own a TSi or a GSX but I just cant afford one...no way no how.

Ryan

[91eclipseGSnj]

Originally posted by gondzur
We NT owners not only probably spent considerably less money to buy our cars, but we also save on not having to run premium gas in it and spending twice as much on the insurance which means we'll have lots of money left over to spend on making it look much nicer. Dont get me wrong, I would love to own a TSi or a GSX but I just cant afford one...no way no how.

Ryan

I second that! This is the biggest chunk of DSM racing i get...at least for now. Maybe in 35 years I'll be able to spend enuf$ to get a new turbo. Good luck to all ye who are having fun with their turbos. Wish i had a turbo..or at least AWD!

[DSMscreamer]

Momo, without that piping the intercooler is useless unless your going to do your own fabrication. The piping is really what drives the price of a FMIC up. I've seen people buy a FMIC without the piping and some do a poor job on fabricating their own pipes. This one guy I saw at the track even used rubber radiator hose and if he turned the boost up past 15PSI it would develop a leak somewhere. Plus the hose would blow up like a balloon under boost. Better get the piping too unless you have a good alternative plan.

[HNDAETR]

Hey n/t and turbo's are both great cars, and they both have thier pluses and minuses. but which one is better? well if you go to http://www.hahnracecraft.com you will see that the upgraded RS with the stage 1 turbo is running better than the stock GSX in a front wheel drive. Imagine that! It also stated that the turbo engine is virtually a dinasaur compared to the newer chrysler desighned 2.0. there is also a Neon runing 10.33 beleive it or not. the chrysler 2.0 is nothing to laugh at. I have one and Love it! and When I add my stage 2 kit I still will have spent less money on my car and all of its mods than you GSX owners stock, plus I will be in the low 13's so n/t owners keep your heads up, the RS/GS is a great project car. But we are all in the same boat you know lets work together. TO KILL HONDA'S
later!

[Iceman21]

Originally posted by gondzur
We NT owners not only probably spent considerably less money to buy our cars, but we also save on not having to run premium gas in it and spending twice as much on the insurance which means we'll have lots of money left over to spend on making it look much nicer. Dont get me wrong, I would love to own a TSi or a GSX but I just cant afford one...no way no how.

Ryan

well at least some are saving money, my N/T was spoiled from birth, being fed only premium gas. I don't mind it though, it runs like a dream with 134,000+ miles