How to get turbo timer to work w/ an alarm??? [Archive]

Heat

10-11-2001, 09:21 PM

A turbo timer hooks up almost the same as a remote start. If you ran into a specific problem trying to install that, post a reply here as to what it was. Hooking up an alarm and a TT shouldn't interfere with eachother. I mean you need what just have the turbo timer send 12 volts to the ignition for a certain amount of time so it thinks the car is still on. If you're concerned about being able to arm your alarm while the cars still running I don't know how that will affect the starter kill (if the alarm has one of those of course).

They sell wiring harnesses for 2gs I'm sure of for most TTs. Worst case you just buy one of those.

One guy at my work has a TT on his rx7 at my work with a viper 550 with remote start, window control modules and just about everything else. I'll ask him about arming while the TT is running.

-Heat

TOTalon

10-11-2001, 11:02 PM

You cannot arm the factory alarm while the car is still running. I just installed a tt myself, and I went through the hack from http://www.ca.dsm.org to get it to work with the factory alarm. It works like a charm, but two days after I did it I lost power to my windows and sunroof and my turn signals dont work anymore. The faq I followed was to install an older model of HKS tt, but I highly doubt what is going on with my car is because my tt is the new model. I dont have a clue about aftermarket alarm systems. Hope this helped.

Heat

10-12-2001, 12:24 AM

I was talking about an aftermarket alarm. You probably just blew a fuse.

SpicyTuna

10-12-2001, 01:32 AM

You can use the stock alarm with a turbo timer. If you just plug in the harness it will leave you without your stock alarm. To get this working, that is where the hacking begins. Take an inline fuse holder, and crimp spade connectors onto each end. The spades should be the same size as the blade of a fuse. Pull the cover off of the driver's side fuse box - it is just to the left of the clutch pedal. Pull the fuse marked "gauges" (the fuse box cover is labeled in case you dont know which fuse that is) and put one end of the inline fuse into the lower slot. The other end of the inline fuse goes into the lower slot of the bottom left-hand corner fuse hole.

It is much less complicated than it sounds.

x4nrg

10-12-2001, 01:38 AM

Hey HEAT & TOTalon,
Thanks for your replies. Heat, if you could ask the RX7 guy about arming his car w/ the TT running, that could help me a lot. I have an HKS TT IV w/ a harness on my 98 GSX. Which wire on the harness would I splice and where would I splice it to? Someone said I might need some kind of relay to make the whole thing work. Any ideas on that? Once again, your knowledge is greatly appreciated.

x4nrg

10-12-2001, 01:46 AM

Thanks SpicyTuna, you must have been posting your reply as I was posting mine. I'm gonna print all this stuff out, and give it a try this wknd. Once again guys, thanks for all your help! Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated.

SpicyTuna

10-12-2001, 04:03 AM

I just re-read the whole thread, do you have a stock alarm or an aftermarket alarm? The way I posted earlier works fine with the stock alarm....my car has been like this for a couple years now.

x4nrg

10-12-2001, 11:42 AM

I still have the stock alarm, but should be receiving the Clifford I ordered, by next week. Thanks. Do you know how I can wire it up to work with an aftermarket alarm?

TechT

10-12-2001, 12:15 PM

A friend of mine has a Viper alarm also with a Greddy TT on his 99 GSX.They had to use a external relay and the steareo shop had to contact Greddy.Greddy sent them the wiring diagram on how to wire the TT with alarm.

SpicyTuna

10-13-2001, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by x4nrg
I still have the stock alarm, but should be receiving the Clifford I ordered, by next week. Thanks. Do you know how I can wire it up to work with an aftermarket alarm?

With an additional relay. I have the G4 advantguard from clifford and they shop that installed it had done many tt installs and knew exactly what to do.

awd92gsx

10-15-2001, 09:48 AM

Honestly, if a shop has to setup a turbo timer and alarm system using external relays, they don't fully understand how all of the different systems work.

The solution to using a turbo timer with an aftermarket alarm is very simple, especially DEI alarms (Viper, Python, Hornet, etc...)

Install the turbo timer as normal to IGN 1 and IGN 2

Remove the IGN wire from the alarm, and switch it over to ACC and you will be able to arm the alarm and run the turbo timer at the same time. Unless your alarm is overly sensitive, it shouldn't go off with the engine running.

Why does this work? The alarm monitors your IGN wire for voltage drop. As soon as it drops voltage then the alarm goes into standby and either waits for you to arm, or starts a countdown timer to arm itself AFTER the door has been opened and then closed.

But now the turbo timer supplies voltage to the IGN circuit(s) so the alarm waits to monitor the dome light circuit (door ajar circuit) until after the timer shuts down. So, by monitoring the ACC circuit instead there is no conflicts between the timer (on IGN circuit) and the alarm (on ACC circuit)

So, instead of wiring in relays, diodes, and the such, just swap your alarm's IGN sensing wire to the ACC wire and you'll be good to go.

x4nrg

10-16-2001, 11:40 AM

Hey DSM-BROS,
Thanks for all the help. I'm still waiting to receive my new alarm, but I appreciate the advice you all have given. After I get the alarm and have it installed, I'll re-post and let you guys know how everything goes. Thanks!!!

x4nrg

10-19-2001, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by SpicyTuna
You can use the stock alarm with a turbo timer. If you just plug in the harness it will leave you without your stock alarm. To get this working, that is where the hacking begins. Take an inline fuse holder, and crimp spade connectors onto each end. The spades should be the same size as the blade of a fuse. Pull the cover off of the driver's side fuse box - it is just to the left of the clutch pedal. Pull the fuse marked "gauges" (the fuse box cover is labeled in case you dont know which fuse that is) and put one end of the inline fuse into the lower slot. The other end of the inline fuse goes into the lower slot of the bottom left-hand corner fuse hole.

It is much less complicated than it sounds.

Hey SpicyTuna,
As it turns-out, some idiot at the shop I ordered the clifford from, sold it. So it looks like I won't be getting a Clifford anytime soon. Well anyways, I did as you said and rigged an in-line fuse holder w/ spade connectors at each end. I then connected one end to the lower-slot of the "guages" fuse hole, and the other end to the lower-slot of the bottom left-hand corner fuse hole. It didn't work. Is there something I might have missed or could there be something you might have forgotten to mention. Any help is greatly appreciated.

DraginGSX

01-01-2002, 10:44 PM

Hi, i just had a DEI (Rattler 300) alarm installed by Circuit City yesterday...they hooked everything up "normally"...so, ofcourse it doesnt really work with the Turbo timer. So, i attempted to do what Bill (awd92gsx) suggested...i unhooked the ignition wire. With the alarms ignition sensor wire hooked to NOthing, the alarm actually works WITH the turbo timer...BUT, i lose some functions of the alarm, like automatic ignition door lock/unlock and i'm not sure what else if anything, i think the shock sensor didnt work, but i didnt really mess with much else. So, i wasnt sure which wires on the car were the ACC wires, but there are 2 Blue ones (one solid blue the other with a stripe), they are about the same size as the ignition wires (the black and black w/stripe)...so, i hooked it up to the blue wire...and i thought i had it done! I turned the key to the ACC switch and the doors locked! i thought everything was good, so i turned the car on set the turbo timer to 30 seconds, and then got out of the car and tried to arm it...NOTHING!!! The alarm still will NOT arm while the car is running. Did i connect to the wrong wire? Or do i have to unconnect the wire that is connected to the Ignition ground wire, and hook that up to the ACC ground wire??? OR does this 'setup' NOT work??? Please help guys, i really want to be able to arm my alarm and have the doors lock while the turbo timer is keeping my car running. OR, should i just NOT hook the ignition wire up? Does anyone know exactly what functions of the alarm will NOT work? I know with the wire not hooked up, the alarm will arm, and will trigger if the door is opened. Will that be good enough? Will my starter-kill still work? Sorry for the long post, i'm just confused and my 'search' keeps leading me back to this post (via Bill's [awd92gsx] link).

awd92gsx

01-01-2002, 11:54 PM

Actually, once you get it up and running, you shouldn't lose any functions of your alarm.

You'll still get to keep your auto door locking, starter kill, etc...the only difference is the doors won't unlock until you take it out of the ACC position, rather than the ON position...

ohmygawd

01-02-2002, 02:02 AM

This is an old problem that was answered a long time ago. Look here: http://www.dsmsource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=188

This solved all of my problems.

DraginGSX

01-02-2002, 02:09 AM

Okay guys, i got the alarm and turbo timer to work together! Bill was right, all you have to do is connect the alarms Ignition wire to the ACC wire. BUT, make sure the turbo timer is NOT CONNECTED to an ACC power source!!!!! I have the HKS turbo timer harness, and it is connected to the ACC power/wire, along with the Constant power and IGNition power. and even if you are not using the harness, the instructions to the turbo timer says to hook up one wire to the ACC power...this wire is NOT needed and i don't even know why they have it on the turbo timer...IS THERE A PURPOSE??? (i hope not, because mines not hooked up to it anymore, but it seems to work fine still)... Anyways, just letting everyone know that it worked...and to thank Bill!

awd92gsx

01-02-2002, 09:40 AM

Good deal. I'm glad you got it.

See? Now isn't that alot easier than going out and buying a bunch of relays and diodes like most people think you have to do?

harry99GSX

01-02-2002, 08:09 PM

Just curious. I printed out this thread for a friend of mine to try to hook-up his new style Apexi turbo timer on his 98 GSX. He tried the method you described but could'nt get it to work. I did'nt know what to tell him. Any ideas as to what he may have done wrong? I have not got a chance to look at it myself so it might be something simple. I just dont get a whole lot of free time so I'm not even sure if I will get a chance to look at it anytime real soon. Thanks for any suggestions.

awd92gsx

01-02-2002, 08:13 PM

The problem could be that the turbo timer is installed incorrectly.

For some reason, some turbo timer manufacturers recommend hooking up to IGN1 and ACC, rather than IGN1 and IGN2. This is actually a bad thing. If you don't have your IGN2 circuit hooked up, you may actually find that you don't have cooling fans during shut down.

If your friend can play his radio while the timer is shutting down then that is his problem.

harry99GSX

01-02-2002, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by awd92gsx
The problem could be that the turbo timer is installed incorrectly.

For some reason, some turbo timer manufacturers recommend hooking up to IGN1 and ACC, rather than IGN1 and IGN2. This is actually a bad thing. If you don't have your IGN2 circuit hooked up, you may actually find that you don't have cooling fans during shut down.

If your friend can play his radio while the timer is shutting down then that is his problem. So basically this method will work then? Because I was just going to refer him to the older HKS tt instructions if he could'nt figure it out.So as long as both ignition circuits are hooked-up this should cure the problem correct? I'm not familiar with the wiring on the new style Apexi timer. I dont know if they had made any changes or not but I'm sure he will appreciate any help. I dont even have a tt in my car do to hardley ever driving it so I was'nt a whole lot of help. Hmmm, I'll have to try and contact him and relay the info. Thanks.

awd92gsx

01-03-2002, 09:38 AM

As long as both IGN circuits are hooked up and the ACC circuit ISN'T hooked up to the TT then it should work.

TOTalon

01-05-2002, 09:43 AM

awd92gsx:

You seem to be pretty knowledgable about electrical stuff, maybe you can help me out. A few days after installing a HKS tt and doing the factory alarm hack, I lost power to my windows, sunroof and turn signals. I checked all the fuses, and they are fine. About a week ago I got into a little 'accident' that jolted my car and stopped it very quickly. After that, the windows and sunroof and turn signals were suddenly working again. When the car came out of the shop, there was no power to them once again. Is there a connection somewhere that sends power to these devices that may be loose?

awd92gsx

01-05-2002, 06:48 PM

Hmm...lemme look up the hack that you're talking about. At the moment, I'm not able to find a single common wire or fuse that is common between the three without affecting other circuits...but I'll keep looking.

TOTalon

01-05-2002, 07:53 PM

The hack was from http://www.ca.dsm.org. I have the newer generation of HKS tt, but I doubt that makes much of a difference. Everything worked beautifully for around three days after I did it. Even today I can arm the factory alarm while the car is running and the tt is counting down. I just cant use my windows sunroof or turn signals. The fact that it started working again after my mishap tells me that it most likely isnt because I made a mistake when I was doing the hack.

awd92gsx

01-06-2002, 12:52 PM

Ok,

At the moment, I'm wondering if your ETACS is coming off or got damaged somehow (have seen that happen before). I can't remember if your power windows and/or turn signals are operated through it, though...

If I remember right, on the back side of your interior fuse box you will find your ETACS unit (Electronic Theft/Alarm Control System). I'll have to look up some schematics on your car later to see if I can find anything that might correlate your problems with your ETACS.

harry99GSX

01-07-2002, 08:32 PM

I am relaying a message from my friend that was having the trouble getting his tt to work properly.......... " Hey thanks Harry. Tell your friend that the info was great. The timer worked perfectly as soon as I followed those directions. I cant f*#@ing beleive it works. Thanks so much!!!!! " Hes now a much happier DSMer. Overall thoughts on the timer itself.... He said he likes it. Thats all I could get out of him. He is relatively new to the DSM world.

bbcrx

03-16-2003, 07:30 AM

i've read this thread and i feel i have the same or similar problem on my 92 tsi. i am currently installing an older model FATT blitz turbo timer. i do have an older DEI alarm. Everything is hooked up and i connected the purple wire to my ebrake. It works fine, the only problem i have is that when i shut off the engine and the turbo timer counts down. Once it shuts the engine down, the doors will always UNLOCK itself. Will connecting the ign wire to the acc. wire solve this problem? And will i be connecting the ign wire on the alarm to the acc. wire on alarm, or on the turbo timer. Can you clarify this for me please. Also someone mentioned something about just disconnecting the acc wire that goes to the turbo timer and that should be enough. I'm confused as to which route to take. I will await a response before proceeding.

awd92gsx

03-19-2003, 10:22 AM

...ok...it's been a few months...but let me see if I can remember...

Basically, the problem lies in that the turbo timer and the alarm on are on the same circuit..

The alarm looks for you to turn the key off and then open and shut the door to automatically arm...the timer keeps voltage supplied to the IGN1 circuit (the circuit the alarm is on), so the alarm doesn't realize you've shut the car off.

If you wire the turbo timer alarm properly (onto IGN1 and IGN2) and wire the alarm SWITCHED 12V+ (or IGN) to ACC everything should work fine...

...been a very long time since I've posted...

bbcrx

03-19-2003, 04:18 PM

thanks for the reply, but i went a different route to solve my problems. i completely took out my alarm system. It was an old DEI alarm and it was functioning properly, i only used it cause the remote doors locks was functioning. So i ripped the damn thing out. Now it works just fine and i am very happy. Although i do have a small problem now. When ever i come to a complete stop while driving. my door ajar light comes. both doors are closed and the rear hatch is closed. It flickers momentarily when ever i come to a rolling stop. While removing the wires from the alarm that connected to some of the wiring on the car, i was as care as possible although some wires didn't look in too good of shape so i taped them up nicely. Anyone have ideas on where else to check where a wire might be exposed or loose. Any help is appreciated.

SeatownGST

03-19-2003, 07:24 PM

whoooo hah, thread back from the dead! these are fun.

I shalt move it to the appropriate place to get the issues sorted out.

rowlex

01-18-2004, 08:58 PM

I hate to rekindle a thread that has obviously been beat to death.

But I would score big points with my girl if I made her TT/alarm work at the same time, problem is:

I didn't install the TT, the accessory(stereo/related) stay on when the TT is counting. So hooking the IGN wire from the alarm to ACC I assume will not work. Any ideas? She has an old APEXI as her TT. AFTERMARKET DEI 300 alarm. THANKS!

WombatTSi

01-19-2004, 02:06 AM

one would theorize if the TT is using 2 circuits (in this case IGN1 and ACC) the alarm would just need to be hooked to the 3rd, unused, circuit (IGN2).

again, this is bench electrical engineering :)

tarantula

01-19-2004, 02:57 AM

I also have an old Apexi Turbo Timer and a Factory alarm. How would I get the Factory alarm to work Where is the wire that connects to the alarm that lets it knows that the car is still on. I want to hook it up to ACC like so many says to do. Is there a site other than http://ca.dsm.org/FAQ/2gtt-faq.html.? Maybe a link or something that lets us know how to hook up the Apexi TT or any other TT instead of the HKS unit. Don't want to buy a new one. Thanks

James92TSi

01-19-2004, 03:55 AM

Turbo timers all hook up the same. It doesn't matter if the FAQ is for a different brand than the one you have.

rowlex

01-19-2004, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by rowlex
I hate to rekindle a thread that has obviously been beat to death.

But I would score big points with my girl if I made her TT/alarm work at the same time, problem is:

I didn't install the TT, the accessory(stereo/related) stay on when the TT is counting. So hooking the IGN wire from the alarm to ACC I assume will not work. Any ideas? She has an old APEXI as her TT. AFTERMARKET DEI 300 alarm. THANKS!

THANKS WOMBAT!

tarantula

01-19-2004, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by James92TSi
Turbo timers all hook up the same. It doesn't matter if the FAQ is for a different brand than the one you have.

There is one thing you are forgetting..... What color is the wire that goes to the particular brand turbo timer do you cut? According to the FAQ, which is basically easy after reading a few times, after the hacking you have to cut one of the wires that goes directly to the TT. On HKS its blue as per the FAQ.

Go now to the HKS TT Harness, the one we put between the two stock plugs at the beginning. Find the blue wire in this harness that runs to the TT unit itself (and only to the TT, not between the ignition plugs), and snip it. Tape up both ends.
What color is Apexi's wire that is suppose to be cut???There are three also A red, Green and Blue. Are they the same as HKS? And as far as Greedy, they are all the same color?