Baer Dual Piston Brake Upgrade

[Chi99GST]

Anyone running the 13' x 1.1 Baer Dual Piston Brake kit?

I'm looking into upgrading my current stock GST brakes for the Road Track and this kit is not as expensive as the AEM or well overpriced Brembo's.

If you are running them and like them or not, what options did you select with it?

They have the following options:

X-Drilled

Slotted

Zinc Washed

I guess you can add some or all of these options to the actual rotor. What are the benefits to running the Zinc Washed rotors?

What prices are good prices. I have only found them listed on a few sites. This one is the lowest I have found so far. Anyone know of any better places to go to?

http://store.yahoo.com/ntnsracing/baerracsporb.html

[Mark PPG]

Yes I have em.
Yes I love em.
Braking is greatly improved (hard to even imagine going back)

I got the zinc washed, crossed drilled, and slotted. I even bought the matching rear set.

http://www.mofugas.com helped me with the selection and ordering.

heres a pic
http://www.trends.ca/~attitude/bigbrake.jpg

[speeding_gsx]

Hey Chi99GST,

Just wanted to let you know ... I've talked with toddandchris1, and we're days away from fitting a Wilwood 12.2" kit on my car. I've gotten a chance to talk to guys who do brakes ... and that's why I'm going with the Wilwood kit. Plus, the prices should be very competitive. Ha, ha - this should be fun...

Stay tuned, hopefully I'll have info. for you by next week.

Pete W. - 97 GSX - Tucson AZ

TRE 16G, 3" Eliminator DownPipe, 3" Cat, 3" B&B Triflo Exhaust, 2.25" Extremem IC Piping, Greddy Profec B and T.Timer, MSD DIS-2, Apexi FMIC and Super AFC, InJen Intake, Clustmasters Kevlar Clutch, JUN Lightened FlyWheel, Walbro 270 LPH Fuel Pump, Greddy Boost and EGT Gauges, RM Racing Sway Bars and HID/Xenon HeadLight Kit, Eibach SportLine Springs, Tokico Adjustable Struts, 17x8 TSX V1 Rims, and 225/40ZR17 Nitto Extreme 555 Tires.

[95GST]

speeding_gsx, why not the full 13" kit?

[95GST]

Mark, why is your slotted rotors in the opposite direction then how the powerslot rotor's direction?

[toddandchris1]

Petes kit will be the 12.2 kit for a couple of reasons. First as the test car, he's being given a 'good' deal on the complete product and the 13" rotors cost considerably more money, with very littl return. Secondly I want to show that bigger is not always better and that the base kits of 11.75 and 12.2 are very capable. Witness the 12.2 stopping an SHO which weighs more. Lastly I suspect we may eventually go to the larger rotors as an upsize and use the 12.2s on another kit to do some back fitting onto the 1G assembly, and by using this size I have more ability to fit wheels since it will fit both after market 16s and up. Hope this helps.

As for the slotting, it doesn't matter which way they go, I've seen or done them from slashes to curves to my favorite; tic-tac-toe style. It's the easiest. The use of both holes and slots is strictly eye candy and has absolutely no bearing on how well it works. Also I stand behind my former posts that drilled rotors will crack over time, proper ball milling will countersink the hole and help, but how to you do this on the inside of the vented section? You can't, and still have a sharp edge where cracks will begin. If you don't do excessive track days and such they'll last for a long time however, so don't run out and yell for help, but please do keep an eye on them.

[Nick 92 TSi AWD]

Only point to crossdrilling is to decrease unsprung weight. Modern pads don't make gasses like those of the 50s and 60s. Slotting can help keep the pad from glazing under extremely hot conditions, but if you have good pads that shouldn't be a problem anyway.
The only crossdrilled rotors that don't crack are porsches, they are cast with holes.

A big advantage of the TCE/wilwood kit is the cheap replacememnt rotors and pads. Since every car with billet ultra-lite calipers use the same pad and every car with that rotor size uses the same rotor the cost of manufacturing them is lowered since they only have to make one mold and there is a lot larger volume of pads being sold. That's just one thing that really interested me.

BTW todd was that price you gave me with or without the "first timer" discount?

[Chi99GST]

I'm sorry but those BAER's look KILLER!

What did that kit run you? Was it hard to install? Did it require you to upgrade your master cylendar?

You also mentioned getting ones for the rear. What is that going to cost?

[95GST]

Hey Nick I've talked to Todd from TCE this morning it all sounds quite good. I'm excited about it.. My car is a GST with GSX master cylinder but GST prop. valve so should be interesting =)

[Nick 92 TSi AWD]

How come you have the GSX master cylinder?

[speeding_gsx]

What's up guys,

Well, the Wilwood kit should go on my car this Saturday. So, I'll have photos and more information for you guys Monday. I've been working with Todd on this kit, and the more we talk .. the better things look. I've read up on these Wilwood dual piston calipers, and I think they're a awesome. I can't wait for the improved stopping power.

Check back for an update...

Ps. Todd, if you read this .. I'll give you a call later tonight to set this up.

Pete W. - 97 GSX - Tucson AZ

TRE 16G, 3" Eliminator DownPipe, 3" Cat, 3" B&B Triflo Exhaust, 2.25" Extreme IC Piping, Greddy Profec B and T.Timer, MSD DIS-2, Apexi FMIC and Super AFC, InJen Intake, Clustmasters Kevlar Clutch, JUN Lightened FlyWheel, Walbro 270 LPH Fuel Pump, Greddy Boost and EGT Gauges, RM Racing Sway Bars and HID/Xenon HeadLight Kit, Eibach SportLine Springs, Tokico Adjustable Struts, 17x8 TSX V1 Rims, and 225/40ZR17 Nitto Extreme 555 Tires.

[Mark PPG]

This kit is supposed to cost about ~$1500.
BUT it includes, 4 rotors, zinc washed, cross drilled/slotted, all the braided lines, and 2 of those sweet 2 piston calipers with some aluminum adapters and all the mounting hardware.

Installation was simple...and I kept the stock master cylinder.

Please don't quote the pricing...email Mofugas directly for pricing as I know he was working out some hot pricing with Baer.

[toddandchris1]

For whoever asked, the price range of my finished kits will range from about $x.xx - $x.xx depending upon the size. There are a number of options that can raise the cost some, such as plating (sorry no plans for zinc at this time, I'll stick with Nickel, costs more but lasts longer and doesn't look tacky IMHO) and the addition of gas slotting, powder coating colors. There are no aluminum brackets here, just laser cut 1/4" cold roll steel plate, I don't want to hear about the threads tearing up the plate, or it failing if you are on a track somewhere.

To answer a couple of questions that have come up:
Yes, I prefer slots to drilled holes, Nick here covered it pretty well, nice to see someone understands this. Only thing he left out was that of course a Porsche as a bit better weight distribution for hard braking...

Yes, PC on the calipers or hats can be about any color, they are harder to keep clean and can stain from brake fluid.


Yes, replacement parts and alternaives are less, but may be harder to source until you know the market, but you don't HAVE to buy them from me either.

Yes, you can get LOTS of alternative pads, how many options do you want to choose from?

Yes, the calipers can be rebuilt/serviced.

No, they are not "street legal" parts, as they are for racing purposes, use them at your own risk. Yes, I have them on my SHO (for 5 years).


Keep 'em coming!
Todd
TCE

[Edited by awd92gsx on 03-09-2001 at 11:32 PM]

[Nick 92 TSi AWD]

Originally posted by toddandchris1
No, they are not "street legal" parts, as they are for racing purposes, use them at your own risk. Yes, I have them on my SHO (for 5 years).



Neither is any of my sparco stuff, not even the shift knob (I need to update my sig, when I'm not so lazy). There are a lot of things on most of our cars that aren't "street legal". Let's just put it this way if racecar drivers are putting their lives on the line at triple digit speeds and trust the product, chances are it's going to be ok at getting to the store to pick up the groceries :). Just thought I'd throw that in there.

[95GST]

Peter, I think the wilwood is 4 piston calipers.

I have GSX Master cylinder because I have GSX brakes on my GST.

If I get these kits my rotors will be coated with my BBQ paint ;)

[speeding_gsx]

95GST,

Right you are. I was thinking 4, and said 2 - my bad. So, as for an update .. THEY'RE ON MY CAR. Todd and I worked for a few hours applying the kit to my car last night. We wound up going with the 12.2" rotor kit, and the install went pretty smooth - meaning nothing surprised us, and nothing broke. Now my job is to drive, drive, and drive to see if any further adjustments are needed. We'll meet again next weekend, but as for right now .. things are looking good. How good? Well, I'll post a pic sometime tomorrow. Thanks.

Pete W. - 97 GSX - Tucson AZ

TRE 16G, 3" Eliminator DownPipe, 3" Cat, 3" B&B Triflo Exhaust, 2.25" Extreme IC Piping, Greddy Profec B and T.Timer, MSD DIS-2, Apexi FMIC and Super AFC, InJen Intake, Clustmasters Kevlar Clutch, JUN Lightened FlyWheel, Walbro 270 LPH Fuel Pump, Greddy Boost and EGT Gauges, RM Racing Sway Bars and HID/Xenon HeadLight Kit, Eibach SportLine Springs, Tokico Adjustable Struts, 17x8 TSX V1 Rims, and 225/40ZR17 Nitto Extreme 555 Tires ... and my latest addition, a TCE 12.2" Wilwood Brake Kit - simply awesome.

[speeding_gsx]

DSMers,

Well, like I said, they are on the car. I've had the Wilwood 12.2" Brake Kit on my car for about five days and I have nothing but good things to say. Especially since driving home in the rain [here in Tucson]. Immediately after applying the brake kit last Saturday I noticed smoother, more controlled stops [compared to my Power Slot brakes]. I know it will take some time to truly break in this kit, but so far I'm excited about the improvement I've gotten. I've noticed increased bite, but what's more ... no squeaking. If any of you guys are running the aftermarket pads, you know what I'm talking about. At this point and time, I've got a grippy braking system that is silent [only time will tell about the silent thing]. And here's what the application looks like, check it out:

www.geocities.com/speeding_gsx
http://www.geocities.com/speeding_gsx/Brake.jpg

As for current developments, we are finishing the caliper brakets that will be used based on the rotor size selected. I'm happy to say this has been the only variable in the setup thus far.

Also, you're looking at about a 15 lbs. weight redcution in going from the stock GSX brakes to the Wilwood Kit .. pretty cool.

Here's what the kit on my car consists of [:

- Wilwood Billet Superlite series calipers w/ 1.75/1.38 differential bores

- Modular hats and slotted rotors, assembled w/ Stainless Steel bolts

- Wilwood "Tan, Cold Stopper" brake pads

- Earl's Stainless Steel Braided Hoses and adapter fittings.

Anyway, if you guys want to ask some questions or get feedback from someone who has them, feel free to e-mail me at speeding_gsx@hotmail.com

[95GST]

Hey pete, thats cool. How much break in have you done?
How is the pedal feel, any difference? How much dust do you notice over stock pads?

I thought I would contribute my stock brake picture for comparison:

http://vits.hypermart.net/eclipse/images/images3/stockbrake.jpg

GSX brakes, powerslot GSX rotors, 17" wheels

[speeding_gsx]

To be honest, Jeremy, I'm gonna need some time to whip things up a bit. I've been doing my normal city driving routine, and with that comes a lazy day of braking. So far, pedal feel is some and consistent [what I would expect]. I was hoping to do some Auto X-ing this weekend, but I forgot I have prior commitments. As for the dust, we'll have to find out. If there was any dust, it was washed off by the rain this afternoon. I do know that the guy [Todd] who is developing the kit is going to try two diffferent pads with this set. The Wilwood "Tan, Cold Stopper" brake pads are on the car now .. but I've been told I'll probably be testing some Hawke pads as well. I'll keep you posted, it'll just be a matter of time.

[DragonKnight]

After refitting Pete with the 13s and new 'finished' brackets I plan to offer the 12.2s to someone who has a 16" application or for testing or on a 1G fit.

I got stock 16" rims and I'm getting aftermarket 16" rims as well. Pick me, pick me! :D

-Rich

[Nick 92 TSi AWD]

Are you going to be there for this? http://members.home.net/nw-dsm/current/current2.htm
If you are talk to Ron, that's his white 1G Talon pictured. He runs some really wide borbet wheels with 255 Kumho VictoRs. Oh and you have mail :).

[toddandchris1]

A couple of people asked for more information on my offerings. I can't find the photos from Pete on this thread, but at least it contains the basic information people have requested. I can send email pics also for those who would like more specific shots.

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