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grey1.8

11-06-2002, 01:25 AM

Well everyone I picked up a cheap parts car - 91 talon tsi. Messed up body but has a perfect engine. I'm planning on swapping everything over to my DL. I know other people have done this, there should be a vfaq...
Pics coming soon

Blackboost

11-06-2002, 11:59 AM

Super!!

Keep us posted!!:D

TaLoNBLiNGBLiNG

11-06-2002, 04:03 PM

Sweet!

I hope everything goes as planned.

Good luck :D

Ghoste

11-06-2002, 09:52 PM

ya tell us how it goes, I wouldnt mind doing it myself :)

A) 1.8L Base eclipse models are lighter than 2.0L Turbo models.
B) Its custom
C) No 2.0L turbo dohc badging

:)

QuickOne

11-07-2002, 08:29 PM

That's sweet. Good luck. I am right in assuming that the swap is a FWD turbo right?

CleanGS97

11-07-2002, 09:02 PM

dont 4get to do something about the breaks though because you do have drums in the back right? If you get all that extra speed going you hafta slow down sometime rite?

Just my $.02
-Aaron

Blackboost

11-07-2002, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by CleanGS97
dont 4get to do something about the breaks though because you do have drums in the back right? If you get all that extra speed going you hafta slow down sometime rite?

Just my $.02
-Aaron

All 1G cars come with disk brakes on all 4 wheels.;)

CleanGS97

11-08-2002, 08:06 PM

my 90 GS has drum brakes on the rear....... it's a 1.8L so I assumed his would as well.....

Blackboost

11-09-2002, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by CleanGS97
my 90 GS has drum brakes on the rear....... it's a 1.8L so I assumed his would as well.....

Do you mind showing us a picture of the car and the rear drum brakes?? I would love to see one of those...

eclipse2nr91

11-09-2002, 03:27 AM

Hey man, good luck with the swap.

And I've never seen any 1G with drums in the back, please post pics if yours does.

grey1.8

11-09-2002, 07:07 PM

Man these front axles don't want to come out. It's ok, I'll get the breaker bar. And for the questions: Yes I have disc brakes all the way around and yes this is a turbo fwd swap. Also, I'm taking out all of the A/C system:D

BUCK ROGERS

11-09-2002, 07:21 PM

You might want to get a deep well 32mm IMPACT socket & rent an electric impact - have someone put their foot on the brakes - I just destroyed a regular 32MM socket & breaker bar I've had for 10 years.

grey1.8

11-09-2002, 08:58 PM

I got them off, the breaker bar worked for me. But now its raining:mad:

Ghoste

11-09-2002, 09:15 PM

rent a shop! :)

CleanGS97

11-12-2002, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Blackboost

Do you mind showing us a picture of the car and the rear drum brakes?? I would love to see one of those...
Sorry it took me so long to respond, I was out looking at my rear wheels just to make sure I wasn't smoking crack but I took of my hubcap on my drivers side rear and peeked in there and I was totally sure I saw a drum. I got into my house and I got my disposeable cam and came back out to jack up the car to take the wheel off when... looking across the car underneath it, on the passenger side wheel on the inside.. there was the a$$ of a brake caliper staring at me... Im hella confused at this point so I take another look at my wheel and I figured out my rear wheels have some sort of dust cover on them that LOOKS like a drum from the exterior but looking at them from the back it is indeed a caliper-rotor set up. :( Dam im hella embarrased.

Originally posted by Blackboost
All 1G cars come with disk brakes on all 4 wheels. ;)

well man I guess your a mod for a good reason.... hats off 2 u I will take some pix indeed tho of my funky-ass dust covers and PM them to you so you can laugh at/with me :rolleyes:

-Aaron

Blackboost

11-12-2002, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by CleanGS97

well man I guess your a mod for a good reason.... hats off 2 u I will take some pix indeed tho of my funky-ass dust covers and PM them to you so you can laugh at/with me :rolleyes:

-Aaron

I didn't mean to sound like an ass. I just wanted to see if yours came with drums since I have heard some 1G guys mention rear drums too. It's stated that all 1G came with brake disks, but who knows for sure:dunno: Anything could be expected from those guys at the DSM plant. One fine example of that is the CW that affects some 2G's...;)

CleanGS97

11-13-2002, 02:56 PM

Spyder1gdsm

11-14-2002, 12:26 AM

It's all good.. I am happy to admit I am occasionally misinformed but once I get the pix I'll post them on here for everyone to see what I mean. They are weird dust covers and from a certain angle they look EXACTLY like the drum brakes on my mom's 96' Plymouth Voyager... Not having actually messed w/ the rear wheels other than to change an occasional tire I made the assumption since this was BARELY a step up from the base model Mitsu would cust costs and put drums on there since honestly the words "1.8 liter" and "fast" dont go well in the same sentence..

I think it would be cheaper overall to just keep all the same parts for all trim options of the car. It would keep production costs down since they would only have to make one part for all the cars instead of make a crappy drum for just the base model. And i think that wouldn't lower the sticker price on the car very much if they did that.

grey2.0

03-09-2003, 11:35 AM

Hey I'm back,
The swap worked. Not one error code. However, I was in a hurry and didn't doulbe-check timing; resulting in a jump of one or two teeth. Pistons hit the valves, etc. It's not the bad, the pistons are fine. For anyone who tries this swap, doulbe check everything!
I could be on the road right now...
I've got the machine shop doing a valve job w/ SS valves. I can still grin because I heard that turbo spool!

ginsu417

03-11-2003, 01:55 PM

Bonding with your 4G63 already...

fast1.8sohcDSM

03-11-2003, 02:21 PM

The 4G63 blues.

Atleast you didn't take the head off a 4G63 like me, when you had two valves broken in each cylinder [meaning the ends, it looked like hershy kisses], and the rest bent upwards on the cylinder head. That really tought me a lesson about the 4G37 :)

Enjoy your 4G63, you now have things to worry about unfortunately unlike your 4G37.

grey2.0

03-12-2003, 06:30 PM

I respect the 4g37 motor. It served me well, and I have always been impressed with ginsu's turbo 1.8, and miketribal's beast.
But I wanted more power, beyond what the 4g37 has to offer. But with the increased power comes the unreliability. It's a trade off.

ginsu417

03-12-2003, 06:40 PM

Thanks. And good luck with the new motor.

fast1.8sohcDSM

03-12-2003, 06:42 PM

But I wanted more power, beyond what the 4g37 has to offer. But with the increased power comes the unreliability. It's a trade off.

Good point. I hope that your engine runs well for you. You might be the first DL to take out a 12 second GST :)

grey2.0

03-13-2003, 09:48 PM

thanks. The DL weighs a lot less than a GST, even with the 2.0T

A GST is about 2800 lbs., while my DL is somewhere around 2500 lbs. ~ maybe less. That is an advantage to you turbo 1.8's as well. You can go just as fast with less hp.

JoshuaATFT

03-18-2003, 04:55 PM

Grey:

When doing the 1.8 swap to the 2.0 swap isn't there a motor mount difference? I have read previously that this was the case on one of the mounts.

If not, please let me know..

ginsu417

03-18-2003, 05:28 PM

I know for sure the driver's side mount is different. Don't know about the others. Anyone? I'd be interested in this information as well, in the unlikely event that I choose to swap into a GSX chassis.

JoshuaATFT

03-18-2003, 05:48 PM

I would also like to know if you did indeed have different mounts how did you remedy the issue....
Is there a kit or did you fab something yourself?

grey2.0

03-18-2003, 06:04 PM

If I remember correctly the drivers side engine mount was different, and the rest were the same. I used all of the mounts from the parts car because they were actually larger/thicker than the NT ones.

JoshuaATFT

03-19-2003, 11:45 AM

How long did it take you to do the swap?

ginsu417

03-19-2003, 12:54 PM

So the 2.0 mounts are thicker? I found that about the radiators too. Might pick up a set of 2.0 mounts then, for the ones that fit. I've torn up my factory ones pretty bad.

fast1.8sohcDSM

03-19-2003, 01:14 PM

I have measured the motor mounts on the 2.0 GSX, they are exact same as the 1.8.

QuickOne

03-19-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by fast1.8sohcDSM
I have measured the motor mounts on the 2.0 GSX, they are exact same as the 1.8.

You are wrong my friend. The one on the drivers side is not the same. It is at a different angle...slightly but it makes all the difference. I know this because I am doing the swap as we speak.

grey2.0

03-19-2003, 08:52 PM

yeah the radiator was bigger on the turbo car as well. And as far as the mounts being bigger - The one on the passenger side, tranny mount, in fender-well, while it was the same dimensions as the NT mount - was a bit thicker to my eye. The swap did not take very long, maybe like a week and a half I guess(but my engine is apart right now).

JoshuaATFT

03-26-2003, 01:45 PM

Grey.

If the drivers side mount was different, how did you attach it?

How did you attach the engine mount?

QuickOne

03-26-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by JoshuaATFT
Grey.

If the drivers side mount was different, how did you attach it?

How did you attach the engine mount?

You can use the original but it isn't as stable....not much of a difference tho. The turbo mount is thicker due to a heavier engine and at a slight different angle. They all bolt into the same places. The turbo mounts will quieten and stablize the motor better than the 1.8 ones.

Blackboost

03-26-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by QuickOne

You can use the original but it isn't as stable....not much of a difference tho. The turbo mount is thicker due to a heavier engine and at a slight different angle. They all bolt into the same places. The turbo mounts will quieten and stablize the motor better than the 1.8 ones.

The 1.8 driver's side mount will not bolt up to the 2.0 engine. The "L" shaped bracket is angled different in both motors...

grey2.0

03-27-2003, 11:57 AM

yeah blackboost is right. The mounts do bolt in the same location though.

norcal-nonturbo

03-27-2003, 06:50 PM

congrats on the swap. on another topic that was just mentioned, would i notice any difference if i used a turbo rad? i have limited acess to a gsx and i think that i could score the rad for pretty cheap. would it work/do anything?

TIA
-Jeff

JoshuaATFT

03-28-2003, 03:17 PM

Did you get a chance to drive the car at all? I see your engine is apart at present.

If you did get to drive it,...how was it?

I am planning on grabbing a wrecked 2.0 turbo from the local salvage yard and taking on the swap..

grey2.0

03-28-2003, 03:52 PM

norcal-nonturbo,
Yes the turbo rad would be a good idea if it is in good shape. The turbo one will bolt up the same, however it is a lot thicker - so you will have less room to work with(by your exhaust manny). I doubt you would feel any power increase, but you would be less likely to overheat.

JoshuaATFT,
You know what everyone tells you about selling the 1.8 and buying a TSi? Listen to them! j/k Seriously it did cost me a lot in the end, way more than i thought it would. So factor that in. But it was worth it to me because my DL is so light.