why? why did i buy an RS? [Archive]

phillip2810

12-18-2002, 07:48 AM

ok heres the deal: i bought a '99 eclipse RS. i know i know everyone is thinking "what the hell for?!?!?". well it didnt occur to me that putting a turbo on one mitsu would be more difficult than putting one on another. obviously i made a mistake here. the problem is that im in the army (we dont get paid that much) and i kinda spent all my money on this car. so all the people who are gonna say "just sell it and buy a gsx" can save their breath lol. you guys may be able to just up and buy a new car but folks like me cant. anyway im looking for a turbo upgrade for a 2.0 liter NT RS. ive been searching the web and i cant seem to find one. so if anybody can tell me where to look (even a used kit or something would be a good start for me!) i would really appreciate it. i have 1 more question as well. what makes it so difficult to put a turbo on my car? whats the difference between my engine and a GSX engine? hmmm i guess thats 2 questions. well anyway im off to bed. gotta work tommorrow. thanks!

AWDspoOLiN

12-18-2002, 08:26 AM

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/

i have never dealt with an rs or gs but apparently these guys make a reliable kit for your ride. the difference between the two motors? you can find one motor in a neon and another in a jdm evo :D ... very different. i'm not familiar with the numbers and facts but what's so difficult about your car is that the 420a motor that you have wasn't designed for a turbo while the 4g63 wasn't designed to be turbo-less. the link above is about the only place i can think of that i haven't heard anything bad about. hope this helps.

992gnt

12-18-2002, 11:50 AM

Also check out www.2gnt.com for more non-turbo information. Turbo kits, bolt-on mods, etc. It's all there.

CleanGS97

12-18-2002, 03:55 PM

Star-performance also makes a kit.. I dont have their link but it's on the vendor list (im too lazy to go look myself..)

-Aaron

phillip2810

12-18-2002, 05:32 PM

finally some straight answers. thanks a lot guys!

AWDspoOLiN

12-18-2002, 06:22 PM

rather than "just sell it and buy a gsx" maybe you can drop in a shiny new 63 motor... not quite as much as a trade in but maybe... MAYBE... a new/used motor, tranny, and ecu would be cheaper? maybe as much as a turbo kit for your nt? again, i don't know all the figures here but i would think that it's cheaper that way with the plus being that you now have a motor built for turbo and you can always get bigger turbo later. that would be a huge step up from your rs and you won't feel so ripped. sure it's not AWD but we are all taking baby steps here... i think.

XXConvict

12-18-2002, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by phillip2810
you guys may be able to just up and buy a new car but folks like me cant. anyway im looking for a turbo upgrade for a 2.0 liter NT RS. ive been searching the web and i cant seem to find one. so if anybody can tell me where to look (even a used kit or something would be a good start for me!) i would really appreciate it. i have 1 more question as well. what makes it so difficult to put a turbo on my car? whats the difference between my engine and a GSX engine? hmmm i guess thats 2 questions. well anyway im off to bed. gotta work tommorrow. thanks!

Ok, 1 you are a moron or just dont know the difference between rs,gsx,gst ect. If i were you I wouldnt fuck around with turboing (is that a word?) an RS considering it would cost more then putting a bigger turbo on a gsx or gst. Cuz think about it, these 2 cars are already built for a turbo, the other isnt. Thats why its so hard to turbo an RS but its possible. I have a friend that has an rs thats 550hp to the wheels....30,000$ later tho...u dont have the money. Damn government! hehe..j/k...I think that will answer your Q's....Uh,,yea.........peace

phillip2810

12-18-2002, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by AWDspoOLiN
rather than "just sell it and buy a gsx" maybe you can drop in a shiny new 63 motor... not quite as much as a trade in but maybe... MAYBE... a new/used motor, tranny, and ecu would be cheaper? maybe as much as a turbo kit for your nt? again, i don't know all the figures here but i would think that it's cheaper that way with the plus being that you now have a motor built for turbo and you can always get bigger turbo later. that would be a huge step up from your rs and you won't feel so ripped. sure it's not AWD but we are all taking baby steps here... i think.

ok heres a couple stupid newbie questions. where would i find a used 63 motor, tranny, and ecu? what exactly is a "63 motor"? i considered putting a whole new motor in earlier but i have no clue where to find one for a good price.

CleanGS97

12-19-2002, 01:40 AM

I think he got to thinking faster than he was typing and MEANT "4G63".. Blackboost had a good link to price them online but I dont feel like digging through posts to find it.. Look through the DSM-Vendor list and I think you should be able to find a vendor for them.

_Aaron

250lemans

12-19-2002, 02:11 AM

i used to have a gs now gs-t i was gonna put a turbo on it but here's a rough list of what you need
1100 rebuild kit howell
2800 turbo kit (star) or 1900 +pipes +used int from a turbo
300 +/- clutch
400 3" catback(good one)
800 misc(i might be short on this)
that would make 350hp well tuned
and for a swap there's a list on 2gnt.com of what you need not worth it over 5k
i was pretty happy with my gs and all the bolt on's full ehaxust intake wires bored tb and some other stuff i spent arround 1000 on everything and a 800 stereo
good luck

phillip2810

12-19-2002, 02:37 AM

ok i have a TDO4H turbo already. will that save me money? and i have an automatic not a manual (ill fix that eventually) so that should save a little more right? is the TDO4H wrong fopr what i wanna do or will it work?

RaysTsi

12-19-2002, 04:35 AM

420a motors (http://bbs.asog.net) These guys have done everything that you can to the 420a motor which is the exact same motor that you have in your car. DO NOT buy the star turbo kit! They have a horrible reputation... Your car can be very fast but if I was you I would get a big brake kit first! Also you will not fix the Automatic into a manual its just not worth the $$$. If you really want to be smart buy a completely built motor and then turbo it. You're making around 2,000$ a month and probably only have a cell phone bill=50$ car payment=250$(you got raped I bet) Insurance=250$ and other stuff=500$. that leaves about 1,000$ a month that you can spend on your car. be smart and get a built motor for about 3,000$ or be even smarter and pay the car off.zzzz

phillip2810

12-19-2002, 06:10 AM

now i dunno how you figured how much i make but your embarassingly close to being right on the money. it is almost about 1000 on the money that i make a month. so youre sayin that for 3 grand i can get a whole new motor with everything i need (the basic motor i mean)? so i just pull the 420a out and drop the new one in without any other mods and itll work? well shit why didnt i think of that? oh yeah cause i dunno shit about this stuff lol. i never even considered that as an option. and thats exactly what im gonna do! thanks!

p.s. i wont have to change mounting brackets or ANYTHING at all?

Turbo Assassin

12-19-2002, 05:00 PM

An automatic RS? Thats disgusting. Tell me its not green or that secret sauce color.

Get all the bolt-ons and a 50 dry shot. Be happy with it and realize you bought a piecer and not a race car.

phillip2810

12-19-2002, 08:05 PM

nope. right now its just plain ole white. it wont be an automatic for long though ive got a couple people coordinating with me on changing an a/t to an m/t. about 9 hours of work time is totally worth it to me. only costs about 900 bucks too. and eventually one way or another it WILL be a race car. its just gonna take some effort and a lot of love :D

RaysTsi

12-20-2002, 12:34 AM

Ask For motor (http://66.118.73.78/Howell/ProductListing.asp?Model_ID=Avenger&Product_Years=95-99#Misc) They will hook you up with a completely built motor.

Why do you need one your asking?
Because this motor will take all the abuse that you are going to throw at it and it won't even blink. You will still need to buy a turbo kit (http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/avenger/avenger.htm) .

But the Built motor will be able to withstand N20 along with being turbocharged.

Also goto ASOG (bbs.asog.net) and look around that board is full of helpfull people and information on everything from engine swaps to Twin Turbo setups. I really mean it goto that site they even have a guy who stuffed a V8 in that tiny engine compartment we have,with pics to prove it.

I know how much you make cause I wear a RED Berret.;)

phillip2810

12-20-2002, 01:16 AM

AIRBORNE!! lol. thanks alot. bad news htough. i just checked the motor one and its blocked by the army. how messed up is that? i REALLY need this new motor.

RaysTsi

12-20-2002, 05:14 AM

Toll Free Order Line 1 (800) 531-2184 (US and Canada)
Outside the US and Canada Order Line 1 (304) 788-5420
Technical Help 1 (304) 788-5391
Fax Line 1 (304) 788-3096

E@mail: Info@howellautomotive.com

There is thier info hope it helps.

And did you know that you can't park a car on base if it isn't functioning? Its a rule to keep the bases parking lots from being a dump with wreckers parked everywhere but it also means that if you mod your car and screw up/break a part you have to have and your car isn't running for a little while the MPs can tow it off. So make sure not to tell ANYBODY if your car isn't running for some reason or another. Cause that guy you hate will NARC on you!

Good luck with the tranny!

tekky_98_TSi

12-20-2002, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by RaysTsi
Toll Free Order Line 1 (800) 531-2184 (US and Canada)
Outside the US and Canada Order Line 1 (304) 788-5420
Technical Help 1 (304) 788-5391
Fax Line 1 (304) 788-3096

E@mail: Info@howellautomotive.com

There is thier info hope it helps.

And did you know that you can't park a car on base if it isn't functioning? Its a rule to keep the bases parking lots from being a dump with wreckers parked everywhere but it also means that if you mod your car and screw up/break a part you have to have and your car isn't running for a little while the MPs can tow it off. So make sure not to tell ANYBODY if your car isn't running for some reason or another. Cause that guy you hate will NARC on you!

Good luck with the tranny!

Except for that fact that they only bother CHECKING the car if its in disrepair, leaking, or just plain fugly.... had a 2001 z28 parked out here for 8+months with 2 flat tires and a broken window... it finally got towed.... after damn near a year... and ~3 feet of snow LMAO poor car... then again... army mp's can be pains sometimes.... :P Glad I'm dont have to worry about em anymore :P

phillip2810

12-20-2002, 07:37 PM

hmmmmm i better not mess this car up then huh? well ill be going to camp roberts california in april so i dont think ill have to worry about mps. theres only like 40 active duty people on post. but thats still good info. i never knew that. does that place see used motors by any chance?

RaysTsi

12-20-2002, 10:48 PM

No if you want a used motor go to carparts.com. But If you are going to get a used motor get a 2.4l engine swap done. Read more about it at bbs.asog.net. Have you gone to that site yet? They will help you out and give you some better answer than I can. Post your question over there and see what they tell ya. Also try and come up with a budget, the two most expensive things that people usually buy are engines(Mostly cause they blew up their first one) and turbo kits(2,500minimum unless you get lucky on ebay).

Try and save some $$$, because you will always need more mods :D

phillip2810

12-20-2002, 11:19 PM

thats kinda what i was thinkin. you can never have too much stuff :D . ill go check that site out right now. as for a budget.......whew im gonna have to cut down on everything for this to work (goodbye beer). lol

phillip2810

12-20-2002, 11:37 PM

well i found the mitsu 2.4 liter engine for 1495 bucks. not bad eh? still havent found teh appropriate tranny. im kinda wonderin if i should buy the appropriate auto tranny if im just gonna swap it with a manual........decisions decisions.........oh well i have about 3 months to decide anyway. that 2.4 can handle turbo correct?

RaysTsi

12-20-2002, 11:55 PM

the 2.4 will actually spool the turbo faster. the 2.4 I was refering to is the Chrysler engine that is in the new SRT-4 which is very powerfull and full of potential(sp?). But if you are going to buy an engine go all out and get a built engine it will save you MAJOR $$$ in the long run and it will save hours of work. It will also save you from getting most engine related probs. Just my .02cents but its a fact that you will save MAJOR $$$ just buying a built engine.

Ferhat007

12-20-2002, 11:58 PM

LoL im sorry to say it but hey i had a 99 rs I hooked it up man body kit..carbon fiber hood it had everything and looked like it has 400hp shhhh hehe...Than it was one sweet summer day when i got into a GSX and than it hit me..hearing that bov soo looouudddd.. the way it pushed me back into my seat...the way i heard the turbo start to spool...that was no way of coming back...i looked at the gsx i looked at the rs and i said F@$# THAT im getting a GSX and now its been a year and i sold my rs and got a gsx...call me stupid but i lovee my gsx a whole lot better than rs...

phillip2810

12-21-2002, 12:28 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RaysTsi
[B]the 2.4 will actually spool the turbo faster.

are you talking about the motor im thinkin of buying? or are you talking about the one you mentioned? is the one you mentioned the motor that costs about 3 grand? and what about the tranny? can i use the one i have now or not? as for the RS vs. GSX debate, well i guess it just depends on your preference. one day (maybe not today, maybe not tommorrow lol), my RS will be stopping some ass. thats a promise :P

RaysTsi

12-21-2002, 02:18 AM

The more displacement you have the faster your turbo will spool thats why V6s do well with twin turbos and 4bangers do better with a single turbo. Not sure about the tranny like I keep saying over and over and over go to bbs.asog.net and post this question they know thier sh!t and will answer your questions way better than I can! ;)

RaysTsi

12-21-2002, 08:49 PM

DUDE! Get this! Engine (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875138194) That is an awsome price if I had the $$$ I would buy it in a heartbeat!:eek:

CleanGS97

12-21-2002, 10:20 PM

Except he would have to modify his engine mounts, wiring harness, axles/cvjoints, ECU, transmission, shifter assembly, etc.... other than that it would be awesome... I would almost go after that for my 1g... but Im broke as a joke rite now...

-Aaron

RaysTsi

12-21-2002, 10:27 PM

Sorry my bad forgot he doesn't have a 4G63... Good looking out though.:o

phillip2810

12-21-2002, 10:37 PM

just looking at that motor on ebay almost made me wet myself. i gotsta get me one of those!! think theyll extend the auction for another 6 months? lol. damn i need a pay raise. the fact that im gettin married soon doesnt help either. my fiancee is gonna kill me.......lol itll be worth it.:D :P

phillip2810

12-21-2002, 10:37 PM

Silver MKII

12-23-2002, 08:22 AM

ok heres a couple stupid newbie questions. where would i find a used 63 motor, tranny, and ecu? what exactly is a "63 motor"? i considered putting a whole new motor in earlier but i have no clue where to find one for a good price.

try venus auto. theyre a japanese engine importer. and usually you an get a half cut at a very decent price. like $2000 or cheaper decent. i think you can get motor/ecy/trannies packages for like $900 or so. try www.venus-auto.com and take a look. and i live close enough that if you talk to me when youre ready, i could probably get you a price cut on shipping... like free though your TMO office, jsut make sure that you have nothing to ship for the next couple years becuse youll reach your limit with the half cut... the one thing that hasnt screwed me since ive been in the air force is the TMO, except when they broke my computer monitor and only gave me $150 for it:(